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PWKVN #86
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preparationThe derivation of the current digitization proceeded in many steps, which are in the pwkvn folder. digitizationThe base form of the dictionary is pwkvn.txt in csl-orig/v02/pwkvn. Several derivative files and forms are constructed by program.
Most of these files are to big to view in browser, but may be downloaded individually from Github. |
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A major chunk of work done at last, though some more related work remains on this. I can post the details, if Jim is interested in this continuation part. |
@Andhrabharati Am interested to see your comments. Please go ahead and post the details. |
@funderburkjim, I think you said you have a newer version of sch in ansi format. Please let me have it. |
No 'ansi' version exists of the current digitization of sch. Creating an 'ansi version' seems non-trivial; I'll let you know if it becomes available. |
Is there a plan for it? |
Guess it should go to the pw.txt appended at the end, with continuing L-numbers, if not at the end of each volume (resp. portions) as in pwg.txt. |
@funderburkjim agree? Abbreviations from Nachtrage are not recognized in Schmidt. |
sch.txt does not have ls markup. That's the reason for Apast. Sr. @thomasincambodia has requested that the above display also include PWG, which I plan to try. |
That's one possibility. Low ranking on things to do.
A can of worms I'm leary of opening. Greater interest in continuing the improvement of ls markup in PW. |
@funderburkjim |
Yes - I can convert pwkvn_hk_ansi.txt back to pwkvn.txt It will be problematic if you change the number of lines in the file, add new markup, etc. Best to send me a version before you do a lot, so I can see what 'improve the markup' involves. |
I wish I could see the form as PWG | PWG_VN | pwk | pwk_VN & SCH, or in other words, [Presently the PWG_VN is shown beneath the main text in PWG; SCH is shown above & the pwk_VN below (non-chronological) in PWKVN.] |
Having the VN (Annexure/Corrections) besides the main data (instead of beneath) makes it more visible; and having PWG & pwk side-by-side shows how the Petersburger lexicons evolved over time. |
And how about extending this to all cdsl works (barring MW99, which got both of them integrated; of course some work is still pending in it!!)? |
The very first point: Accents--
Once this is done, I would start listing the other points. |
The present display at https://sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csl-apidev/pwkvn/ does not show the accents at all, and I see no option to enable the same. And thus, one misses the chance to see that many accents in pwkvn are lost (or skipped) in SCH. |
These accents might be of no interest/significance to Jim (as he had mentioned sometime ago elsewhere), but they would be required by the 'real serious users' of the Petersburger lexicons. |
Oh, interesting @Andhrabharati |
Would be lovely, as a lot of work has been done, which I'm hardly aware of.
PWG, but not the PWG Nachtrage?
You made me smile.
Can it have same as PWK at least for now? |
I think the PWG Nachträge are completely absorbed in PWK (needs to be checked), so adding them may be only of historical interest. With the the complete digitization of PWKVN 1 to 7 (+8 Last additions pp. 384-390) in hand at last, -- thanks to Jim's generosity --, even SCH is, at this point, only of relevance to PWKVN in that it sometimes silently corrects printing errors in PWKVN. above you write: Please be more specific, and give the actual citation of what Jim writes about accents; let me know whom you consider as "real serious users" and also whom you consider as not real serious users above you write: I feel, listing all points at once will not attract your attention. [emphasis yours] Please clarify. Why do you feel that? Like Jim might be overwhelmed by the complexity of your list? above you write: And thus, one misses the chance to see that many accents in pwkvn are lost (or skipped) in SCH. That is certainly true, and a study of this and other errors in Schmidt's handling of PWKVN can certainly be profitably made. |
@gasyoun & @thomasincambodia
Even otherwise, the PWG Nachtrage data is already there in the cologne PWG file (originally- sanskrit-lexicon/PWG#37 (comment)), and is being shown beneath the main text (as applicable, for some portion- if not of all the volumes). It is only the pwk_VN data that was skipped during pwk digitization, and is done now; hence the debate on how to show/use the same.
This is what Jim said at sanskrit-lexicon/PWG#5 (comment)
Probably Thomas could spend a little time, going through the chain of posts/discussions from Aug '21 to Oct '21- starting at sanskrit-lexicon/PWG#5 (comment) to the end of the issue. I consider myself as a serious user and guess there would at least be some more across the globe; and I do not want to speak on the other category users.
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@thomasincambodia
Yes, Jim himself has mentioned thus sometime back, @thomasincambodia ! He seems to have accustomed to see one point at one issue heading, and my way of posting a chain of points without gap/break seems to have made him 'skip' (most, if not all, of) them. Of course, he had made separate issues (just about 2-3 points so far) out of my bunch of points, but that's a rarity. |
A sample word with accents is dvimUrDan (slp1) |
In Advanced view, I could see without accents. No issues at all. |
It's the https://sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/csl-apidev/pwkvn/ display that does not currently have a control for |
Ok. Thanks for clarification. |
Accent control added. to csl-apidev/pwkvn' display. |
However I can prepare a list, to save Jim's time in going through all these entries to identify which to retain and which to change (if he is convinced). |
Good point indeed.
Is @funderburkjim convinced?
Indeed @Andhrabharati, thanks.
Oh no, it's where one can go mad ))
intentional by Boethlingk - do not think so. He wrote about Knauer who compared PWK and PWG and found some missing entries, so he was not aware of the loss before Knauer's findings himself. |
Why so? Recall the same condition identified in MW99 annexure, and subsequent integration work done in Jan-Feb 2021. |
You still owe me giving the Boehtlingk's letters, @gasyoun ! are the two volumes not scanned still? |
With the display that I was suggesting earlier above, #86 (comment), any and everyone can clearly see such differences between PWG and pwk. |
volume 7 hw lists and
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One volume, but soo big. The compiler died a year ago. I'll make paper one day and maybe will scan it for that. |
@gasyoun Someone needs to
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Currently, the pwg digitization contains both the main text and the VN material.
To do what you suggest, we would need at least to make a separate 'pwgvn' digitization (by extracting the two VN sections from pwg), and then doing the necessary things to have a display for a new 'pwgvn' dictionary. |
Pl. recall the discussion at sanskrit-lexicon/PWG#39; the material belonging to Vol.1-4 and Vol.6 does not always get reflect in the VN matter of Vol.5 or Vol.7; many cases where those entries are seen to be repeated, they are further 'revised' in Vol.5/7. [You also have stored my posted file (for future use ?)-- https://github.com/sanskrit-lexicon/PWG/issues/39#issuecomment-887932380] As such, I propose that you should include all the VN material from all the volumes, as is done in case of pwk. |
In pwg.txt, I don't see any entries that should be considered as VN entries except those mentioned above. |
As I started making the list, seen that the very first entry is marked as
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Looked at Part-1 (Vol. 1-6) of the pwkvn and made the list, taking the pwk main data as the reference to decide the alt. HWs. [As the count is not even 40% (of 387), my estimation of "most (if not all)" is clearly wrong, but the count is quite large indeed.] If this is found suitable, shall look into the Vol. 7 data (Part-2) next. |
JIC you happen to change your mind @funderburkjim , here are the split portions of pwg.txt (latest from the csl-orig repo)-- And you might consider making the present format text of the Vol. 1-4 & 6 VN data, from the first 1057 lines from pwg_orig.txt in the https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/PWGScan/2013/downloads/pwgtxt.zip, and include either to the pwg.txt as is, or to the split portion of pwg_VN txt, to use it in displaying the PWM text. |
experimental versionsThere are now 2 versions of the experimental display which include pwg. Comments solicited. (plan to soon revise the list of 'althws') |
@Andhrabharati If you think this idea should be pursued further, please open a new issue in the cologne repository: https://github.com/sanskrit-lexicon/cologne/issues. As for this issue 86, I am closing. |
This documents the digitization of the Nächtrage und Verbesserungen sections of PWK.
The digitization was recently prepared by Thomas Malten and his typists in India.
In turn much of the 'typical' markup was added by me, and the result prepared as a 'NEW DICTIONARY'.
Currently, there is no 'application' of the additions and corrections to the PW dictionary itself.
A specialized display allows one to investigate pwkvn along with Schmidt (sch) dictionary and pw dictionary.
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