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Stanford University
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There was an issue that came up last time
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I didn't understand the question
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There was a question that kept coming up
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And I didn't understand what it was until the very end of the class
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It was an interesting and a good question
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So I wanna go over it because it is important
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It had to do with a spin in a magnetic field emitting a photon
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And I maintained that if it emits a photon
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Remember the, the way we set things up
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We set let's take the Hamiltonian to be omega over two
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Let's say sigma z
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That has two eigenvalues, plus omega over two and minus omega over two
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So the two eigenvalues let's call it E_1 the energy
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The lower of the two eigenvalues is minus omega over two
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And the upper on is, let's call it E minus and E plus
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This is plus omega over two
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So there was two energy levels, if we draw an energy level diagram
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Energy, we will have two eigenvalues, it would be zero over here
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But that would not be one of them
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But then we would have one over here, omega over two
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And minus omega over two
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Alright what could happen under such
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We have not studied this process here yet
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But let's talk about it for a moment
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Given two states like this, it is possible for an atom or a spin
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Or a system with energy levels like this to emit a photon
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Emit a photon and go from the upper one to the lower one
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If it's in the upper, if it's in the lower state obviously it cannot emit a photon
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Doesn't have the energy to do it
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But if it's in an upper state it can emit a photon
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And that photon will have the energy difference
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between the upper and the lower state
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So we will have an energy, of frequency, of energy omega
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Sorry not frequency, it will be frequency
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But more important, it will have energy of omega
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There is an h bar missing, I have been setting h bar equals to zero
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No, h bar equals one
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I've been setting h bar equals to one
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It's really h bar omega, but I will continue to set h bar equals to one
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Because we all grown up, we are not afraid to set h bar equals to one right
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What?
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>> It was zero last quarter
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it was zero last quarter, yeah, it was zero last quarter that's correct
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Okay so we draw a picture of the photon transition and a photon being emitted
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Now somebody said what if the spin was not pointed up or down
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What if it pointed, here is the z axis
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What if it pointed, let's say in this way along the x axis
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And then it emitted a photon
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Would it not emit the photon of half the energy namely omega over two
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The answer is no if would not emit a photon of a energy omega over two
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Let's discuss first what we are having classically
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Classically if we have a roller, a spinning roller in a magnetic field
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That had an energy, which it was the typical energy would be the co..
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The cosine of the angle between the axis of the spin
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Here's the axis of the spin, here's the magnetic field
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The energy of that rotating object would depend on the orientation of the spin
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Relative to the magnetic field
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The energy would be minimum down
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And it will gradually increase until it was up
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That's number one, number two classically and quantum mechanically
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Classically the actual value,
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and quantum mechanically the expectation value of the spin
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processes around the B axis with frequency omega
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That also happens classically
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It's in the classical mechanics notes in the Poisson brackets section
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Where we study exactly that question
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It wasn't called spin, it was called angular momentum, the spinning top
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Does exactly the same thing
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And that spinning top if it really is a little electro magnet
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A little magnetic system rotating, it will radiate
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In the process of going around with frequency omega
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It will emit radiation, at what frequency? Omega
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It will emit, radiation at the
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And how much radiation would it emit?
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Now it's classical it's not emitting photon
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Emitting classical radiation, and it will gradually, as it emit radiation
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Fall over until it gets down and then no more radiation
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How much energy would it emit all together?
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And the answer depend on the angle that it started at
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If it starts up it would emit all together an amount of energy that is proportional
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essentially omega, if it's pointing down it will emit no energy
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If it's pointing horizontally, it would emit, let's say omega over two
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So it would be a continuously possible value of emission of radiation at the same frequency
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Quantum mechanically it can only emit a photon with
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whatever that energy the photon has
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And the answer is, it's related but different answer
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If it emits, it will emit a photon of energy omega
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On the other hand the probability of whatever it emits is not one necessarily
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And in fact let's suppose the initial state is some alpha up plus beta down
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If alpha and beta are equal, that corresponds to oriented along the x axis
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If alpha is one and beta is zero, that's pointing up
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If alpha is zero and beta is one, that's pointing down
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And up electron, or an up spin, will emit a photon of frequency omega
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Of energy omega, so if was just the up state, yes indeed
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It will emit omega
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If it was a down state, it emits nothing
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If it starts at the superposition of the states
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Then with probability alpha star alpha it emits
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And with probability beta star beta it doesn't emit
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What is the average energy, given that it's a probability alpha star alpha
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that emits with a photon of frequency omega, energy omega
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And beta star beta that it emits nothing
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What is the average energy, and the average energy
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is the same as the classical energy
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The average energy is the same as the classical energy
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But each individual event emits a photon of either
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Either it emits no photon or it emits a photon of energy omega
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So that was, who asked the question?
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Somebody here asked a question
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So that's the upshot
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And this is sort of the internal consistency of quantum mechanics
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And of course to really, ya?
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>> If the electron will emit a photon when it's in the down energy
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>> presumably could avert the photon?
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Yes, that's correct
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>> How precise of the photon after B to omega
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That depends on the life time of the state
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And which in terms depend on how strongly coupled
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the depends on the dipole moment, the stronger the dipole moment
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The magnetic moment, the faster it would emit
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The faster it would emit, it's another way the sort of life time
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the excited state will be
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It's the inversed life time which set this scale of exactly what you are asking
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The precision with which you will have to be exactly
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There is a spread in the energy level
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The spread in the energy level are uncertainty in the energy level
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And the uncertainty of the energy level is the inversed to the life time of the state
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So right, so you are absolutely right, it was a spread
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It's governed by the energy-time uncertainty principle
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But we are not there yet, whether we will get there I don't know
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Okay
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>> Is this phenomenon of photon emission which use
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>> to create an apparatus to detect it?
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What apparatus
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>> to create an apparatus that detects the spin of an electron
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You could, that's one way to do it, that's one way to do it
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I decided to not think about that as an apparatus
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I didn't like it, because it didn't satisfied the rule that
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If you measure a component of a spin you leave the system with exactly that
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After thinking about it, I decided not qualified as a genuine measuring apparatus
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So we are gonna come to measurement
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and the meaning of measurement in a little while
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But we will soon move, half an hour gone already
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#Okay if there are no more questions,
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I'm gonna move on to the subject of entanglement
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I have a few words to say about the collapse of a wave function
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Let's just talk about for a moment the idea of collapse of the wave function
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We've talked about how the quantum states evolve
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According to the Schrodinger equation and that is the way they evolve
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But that's the way they evolve between events
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where somebody or something are detectors or
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an apparatus or just some other systems, an external system
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interact with the original quantum system
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So we have a quantum system, we have other thing in the world
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Including observers, including apparatuses, and just including other things
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If we take away all the other things
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The system might be left in some state, and then the system will evolve
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according to the Schrodinger equation
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And then we maybe bring back the other things
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The other things might be an apparatus
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Where did the apparatus go? The apparatus is hiding
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But it could be an apparatus or something else
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But let's say it's an apparatus, and the apparatus measures some specific thing
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That were happened during the course of the interaction with the apparatus
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If a measurement takes place, and the system is left in an eigen state
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corresponding to the particular outcome
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So for example we might start, let's suppose we want to measure L
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And our system after a while might be in a state
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Some summation over i, a bunch of complex number alpha sub i
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Times eigenvectors of L, eigenvectors of L with eigenvalues lambda sub i
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Okay what's the probability for the outcome of the experiment?
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The system got here by evolving using the Schrodinger equation
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We started it out, we evolve it according to Schrodinger equation
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Here is what we got, at the end of the day
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And now we make a measurement of L
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And we get some specific value of lambda
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Random, we don't know what it's gonna be?
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But it's gonna be something
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Let's say it's lambda seven, we measured lambda seven
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There after, or right after that, the system is in state lambda seven
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The course of the operation of measurement
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is not governed by the Schrodinger equation for the system
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It's governed by the nature of the measuring process
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And it simply tells you that you come out with one of the eigenvalues
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as the measured value, and the state vector will be just one of these
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Which one? Random
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Random depending on the measure, now that's funny
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because you might think, look, well first of all
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let's give it a terminology,
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the terminology is the way the function collapse around one point
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It is collapse around one single eigenvalue
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You can't predict which one
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But all of the structure here with all the other one becomes irrelevant
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And only one state pops into existence so to speak
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Alright now what's wrong with this?
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What's wrong with this? There is absolutely nothing wrong with it
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It's correct description of the measurement process
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But what is very unsatisfying about this
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is after all, apparatus is just quantum systems
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Why do we have two rules for the wave systems evolve?
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One is Schrodinger equation, and one is arbitrary collapsed wave function
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The answer is that we,
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if we want to think quantum mechanically about the whole system
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A system plus apparatus, that's fine we can do it,
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and I hope we could get to it tonight
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And then it's pure Schrodinger equation
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but we cannot separate the system into just system and apparatus
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We have to think about the whole quantum system as being
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system plus apparatus, that raise the question immediately right now
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How do you combine systems together?
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If you have more than one system, it could be an electron spin and the apparatus
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We have two systems now,
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imagine we had a good quantum theory of the apparatus
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The apparatus is a physical system quantum theories governs it
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How do we describe the combined system where we take two components
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One spin, one apparatus, put them together
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How do we make it into a single quantum system?
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And then how with that single quantum system
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do we describe this process of measurement?
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That is a very, confused a generation of physicists
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Partly because Bohr was very stubborn about this
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He didn't quite had it right
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And he was a nice man, a very nice man, very glad, I never met him
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Though he was a nice man, but thing is he is also a very stubborn man
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And this particular thing, he was mostly right
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But here and there, he was wrong,
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It was apparently very tough to be around him where he was
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People tried to explained to him over and over again
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You have to think of the combined system
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and you have to think of the combined quantum system
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If you want to understand the quantum mechanics of measurement
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And he said no, he didn't believed that, anyway
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Combined systems, we have two systems now
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Let's just not worry about what they are
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They are two systems, we will get more specific in the moment
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But let's give them names, let's call one of the systems A
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and A does not stand, it could stand for apparatus
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But it doesn't have to, it's just A
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System A, I will call the space of states of system A, S sub A
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S sub A could stand for system A
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but now I had it to mean the space of quantum state of the system A
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And we have another system, I'm gonna call I
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It's another system with it's own space of state I
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This system A has state which are labeled by a basis of states
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You chose a basis of states in the system A
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|a> can go from one to whatever the number of state of the system A is
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