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New finals #928

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@LeroyR LeroyR commented Dec 3, 2024

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EC Decision: Change the Final to be Task instead of open demonstration based.

The idea is to have the best two teams showing off the best performance of the league to the general audience; also, there are other places to show their research (poster session, open challenge, robocup symposium, winning-team paper, icra/iros workshops, and so on), and we are not able to objectively evaluate the relevance of their research in 10 minutes of an open demonstration.

Other Leagues just repeat whatever they do before (e.g. soccer just plays soccer) or do "Medleys" of previous Tasks for the final. EGPSR (with some changes?) would be a better fit for the finals than an open demonstration with presentation.

Closes issue #899

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  • Change Finals to be task based instead of special Themed demonstration.
  • Base the finale on EGPSR

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This is just to get the pull request started and have this intended change visible for teams.

@LeroyR LeroyR force-pushed the egpsr_finals branch 2 times, most recently from b541012 to 34c0608 Compare December 3, 2024 16:08
@LeroyR LeroyR changed the title Egpsr finals [Draft] New finals Dec 3, 2024
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sunava commented Dec 9, 2024

@LeroyR, ec and tc decided on egpsr as finals so can be real PR instant of draft now/

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@LeroyR LeroyR changed the title [Draft] New finals New finals Jan 6, 2025
\scoreitem[3]{150}{Find and clearly state an encountered problem}
\scoreitem[3]{650}{Solve a problem}

\scoreheading{Deus Ex Machina Penalties}
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For final demonstrations I would consider removing Deus Ex Machina...

I expect the teams who make it to be prepared to complete the entire task.

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One of the stated goal for this new final (from EC) was "to keep the robots moving during the task regardless"

Deus Ex is an escape hatch to ensure something continues to happen.

In the old final, to ensure something happens, we allowed teams to do whatever is necessary so they can show of. (touch robot, restart, reprogram the final on the spot e.g. tidyboy 23)

Disallowing deus ex is imho the exact opposite - but i agree that we should expect them to be prepared 😓
We just have to aware of this.

%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\section{Final Ranking and Winner}

There will be an award for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place of each league.
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IIRC this depends on the number of teams who participate in RoboCup, based on the number of teams registered and on site the 3rd place award is issued...

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I can not recall fully our discussion from the beginning of december.. but someone shared the information (some document) during TC meeting. Our minutes just state:

Trophies

  • Nr. of Trophies was not correct this year
  • Nr. per subleague
  • 4 OPL, 3 DSPL, (1 SSPL)

@SparkRibeiro21 did you provide the source?

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I have personally talked with the Trustee responsible for the awards. He told me that the following image is per sub league (DSPL and OPL) and not per league (@Home)

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This means that this year, should have been:
OPL 19 teams -> 4 trophies (only 2 were awarded)
DSPL 10 teams -> 3 trophies (only 2 were awarded
SSPL 3 teams -> 1 trophy (1 was awarded)


\begin{enumerate}
\item If the number of teams in the league is above 11, a certificate will be awarded to the 4th ranked team.
\item If the number of teams in the league is above 14, a certificate will be awarded to the 5th ranked team.
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See my comment above re award for 1, 2 & 3rd place.

Can you prove in a comment next to this the citation to the RoboCup Organization rules on awards vs certificates? I know in the past when SSPL had low number of teams registered we did not 3rd place awards.

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Idea: The robot solves the task as usual (autonomously from the start signal) AND the team explains (with some slides?) what's happening and how they have solved the problem. We can average the points scored in the task with some scoring from the invited jury evaluating the presentation and robot performance from their point of view (the last time we invited some sponsors).

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LeroyR commented Jan 14, 2025

Idea: The robot solves the task as usual (autonomously from the start signal) AND the team explains (with some slides?) what's happening and how they have solved the problem. We can average the points scored in the task with some scoring from the invited jury evaluating the presentation and robot performance from their point of view (the last time we invited some sponsors).

Not having any presentation or custom jury evaluation was decided by the EC.

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